UFO images

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:17 am

Here are a few photoes I found. Could be real.....

[img]http://www.illuminati-news.com/ufos-and-aliens/Graphics/martian_sky.bmp[/img]

Site Admin Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 26

There is no real dependable evidence so I have no reason to think that they have.
Plus it seems a little strange that they would fly around in ridiculous saucer shaped craft, and always seem to hide from us, observing us from afar, after having come from many light years away, a feat that requires a great deal of energy expenditure.

Of course it's possible, but probably more unlikely than likely given the circumstances and pathetic evidence presented in thousands of grainy black and white images, and an equal number of grainy and hard to make out amateur video clips.

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:59 am

I agree, but I just voted yes as a possibility. I mean, if aliens did have the technology to visit as from many lightyears away, they would be at least a bit smarter to hide themselves better from us. And there are many people in the world who are attention seekers, and just say 'Look! Look! Alien! I snapped a picture of it!' to become rich and famous.

I guess with the evidence we've got, (which is not much) people tend to believe aliens have never visited earth. But, there is always that possibility, which I like to believe in to make things more exciting.

Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 19

As far as the pics go... totally fake.

As far as aliens studying us from afar... possible, yet probably not too likely.

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:10 am

Well, do you think this planet is the only planet in the whole universe that contains life? No, the universe is sooo big, there just has to be more life out there.

So yeah, there is a possibility, and that life out there could have started the way we started, except they started millions of years ealier than us and therefore have muh more advanced technology yet the same curiosity as us.

Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 19

I'm sure many planets in out galaxy have life, but for life to get as complex as us you need very favourable (and uncommon) conditions, namely distance from the sun, speed of rotation and the MOST important aspect... a hefty gas giant nearby.

The reason we've been around long enough to evolve as much as we have is Jupiter. He's out big brother, always looking out for us, smashing any punky meteors that try to mess with us. Jupiter's size and gravity tends to divert or capture large objects that would otherwise smash into little ol' Earth and destroy all life as we know it.

In order for intelligent life to have a chance of evolving, the planet doesn't need to be old, it needs to be SAFE. Life can't grow if the planet's constantly bombarded with space junk.

Along with that, there's also the CHANCE factor. One of the big hitters of the "intelligent design" theory (i.e. life is too complex for it to have evolved from nothing, therefore it NEEDS some sort of higher intelligence to have designed it) is that the chance of an organism as complex as us being the result of a series of random mutations is incredibly small. This is known as "specified complexity", and the figure quoted as the likelihood of "us" occurring by chance is greater than 1 in 10^150 (though I should add that specified complexity is considered to be a tautology, meaning it's a statement that's true only because it says it is).

That said, there's a chance that there's only a handful of intelligent races in the entire galaxy, each one so far away from the next they may not ever meet.

Site Admin Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 26

There's a good chance that there are hundreds or thousands of intelligent species in this galaxy alone, you do realize that there are over 100,000 BILLION star systems in the milky way?
Looking at the [bold]millions[/bold] of different species on this planet alone, and then looking at the history of highly intelligent life (homo sapiens and the species that preceeded them, various ancestors and offshoots) conditions for intelligent life are not that unlikely to occur at all, actually quite likely when looking at a large galaxy as a whole.

The nearest galaxy to the milky way, andromeda, which has over 1 TRILLION observable stars would have thousands of intelligent species even IF you factor in all those unlikely and rare planetary and star system conditions that need to arise for a suitable hostitable world like earth.

This planet has had many major extinction events, massive ones where over 90% of all life became extinct, it does not take 4 billion years for a highly intelligent species to evolve. Thus you put too much emphasis on jupiter and it acting as a cosmic vaccum towards our existence, by giving us time to evolve. The evolutionary line isn't a straight from point a to point p u some sort of pyramid line, it is all over the place, even today there are many highly intelligent species, the primates, gorrillas, orangutans, humans, chimps, etc then you have dolphins and general whale family.

Just because there has been no contact with other civilizations it does not mean that high-sentience life is rare in our entire galaxy, it just means that we are still a very young technological civilization, for only around 100 years have we been broadcasting our whereabouts throughout the galaxy via radio waves, that is barely a mouse-fart in the larger scheme, our radio signals have not even reached the outer reaches of the galactic spiral arm we find ourselves in. The signal radius has only passed through around 50,000 star systems so far, that is a pathetic number when you compare it to well over 100,000 billion. And it will take many more decades to get a response even from those 50,000 star systems, if there ever is one, due to the time it would take for a return signal.

Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 19

That post is hogwash, nothing but speculation. You said yourself that there's MILLIONS of species on our planet alone, yet only ONE has the means to understand technology. Seeing as there's no quantifiable data to compare it to, you can't just assume that because intelligent life has developed here that you can expect to find intelligent life every million solar systems.

I think currently the most accurate answer to the question "are we alone in the universe?" is "maybe, maybe not".

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:20 pm

We can't be the only ones! As Ganon said, there are SOOO many galaxies, solarsystems etc. Thinking that we're the only ones, is stupid sorry to say, but it is.

I think all us intelligent life forms are all experimenting the same problem, everything is too far away. Crying or Very sad

*Sniff.... *sniff.... just imagine if things were so close. We'd have exchange students from different planets, there would be space buses, work would be in a different planet, that would be cool.

Site Admin Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 26

Only ONE has the means to understand technology???

Why are you always stuck in the present when talking about things that encompass things on such a large scale and on such large time-scales?

There have been MANY species in the past, like cro magnon 'man' and nenderthals , and Australiansesis or whatever they were called, (that went extinct) but, were able to 'understand' technology.

These were not our direct ancestors, they were completely different species of 'man' but they also understood technology, and guess what, this all occurred on the one world.

At the present time though you're right, there is only one species that understands technology, although, you could argue that when shown how to operate a picto-keyboard, a chimpanzee or orangutan will also understand technology, because he will be able to type out words so that he can tell you what he wants or what he feels like.

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:20 am

Wow, can chimpanzees actually do that? They're so clever....

Lol, I love watching you to argue.

Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 19

Of course I don't, it's inconceivably massive.

I know that our galaxy alone has more solar systems than there are grains of sand on the planet, and that there are hundreds of visible galaxies in every square centimetre of the sky (at arms length).

I know the facts of how big the universe is, but I doubt there's ANYONE that can create an accurate estimate of the universe's size in their head and think "Hmm... yeah that's about right".

... that said I concur with the rest of your post except the picto thing with the monkeys. That's not understanding technology, thats using a tool. For them to demonstrate an understanding of technology I think the MINIMUM they could do is cleave a rock to CREATE a cutting tool. Chimps already have the ability to USE tools, but without the capability to CREATE they'll never advance. Crocodiles are still the same a hundred million years later, yet homo sapiens have changed from caveman to comprehending the mysteries of the universe in only 2 million years. Why? Because we realised that sharp = easy to cut.

Site Admin Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 26

Hey didn't I mention the pygmy chimps of central africa before? Look them up, they actually cleave rocks to crack and cut up hard nuts and extensively utilize various sticks which they adjust for length by breaking for getting ants out of hard to reach places. They have even been observed teaching each other how to make suitable rocks. Sadly they are almost extinct.

Anyway, they do make their own tools, crappy primitive tools but tools nonetheless.

And just because a species is intelligent and capable of something it doesn't mean they will do or make anything sophisticated. Take the aborigines for example, homo sapiens they may be, but their technology sure sucked ass and they had 40,000 years of space and resources on this entire continent to do something interesting, the most they did was make a few fish farms on the coast, breeding fish, they didn't even get to agriculture.

Same thing happened in eurasia and africa for hundreds of thousands of years, until some clever monkey realised that he could plant a few seeds in the soil and watch them grow food. This changed everything for us.

Joined: 02 Feb 2007 Posts: 19

Heh heh, yeah... aborigines suck

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:09 am

How racist can you get! That is the meanest most racial comment I have heard...

The aboriginie's god was nature and environment, they used fire to burn all the old wheat/ grass to enable them to release they're seeds and grow new.

They did not want to hurt their god so they lived by nature, they are not dumb, the average aborigine knew 4-5 languages.

Don't say things like that NoeL.

Site Admin Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 26

Yes, NoeL was being Racist, however, the aborigines also did lots of bad stuff, like killing off all the australian megafauna. They were no saints.

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:20 am

well that's what all races have done. But the aborigines did the least damage to their environment.

Look at all of us whiteys. Look at what we've done.